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сряда, 15 юни 2016 г.

The third Rome scheming against the 2nd (and 1st?)

Putin, on his visit to ATHOS, sat on the Byzantine emperor throne.




Okay, things have started to finally appear as they are.Putin must do LOADS of damage both to europe and russia. HE will create the chaos and will not be the saviour, but the Hercule Poirot novel type villain discovered at the last minute.


The eurasian program of Putin is not simply russia-centric, but russian orthodoxy centric. I will now skip the role of orthodoxy in eurasian ideology, Dugin is sufficient reference material.


If Putin wants Russia to become the new third Rome imperially, he would want to get rid of the old ONES. And I write "would want", because in reality Putin's mind is aligned with the catacombs of the old 7 hill Rome, not Moscow or St Petersburg. But for his theatric part, if he is the chief archon, the usurper of the Pope's power, he would want those two to fall or at least to be subjected to his clerical lap-dogs. And this is preciselly what we are seeing with the drama around the proposed Great and Holy orthodox council. Russia won't participate. And more than that - It has destroyed the council. Several churches have pulled, last one being Serbia, all secretly good old KGB workshops. But Moscow doesn't want the world to realize its her hand breaking apart the council, so the Serbian church, which would be the first to be suspected of being controlled by the Kermlin, has now declared attending. Clever moves. The damage has been done and now Bartholomew, the buddy of Francis is disgraced. And any hope of further ecumenism is destroyed. Because, aside from everything else, the council was to include ecumenical discussion. The gist of this all is that Moscow wants to take the place of Constantinople as the third Rome and acts in the manner of the old papacy back in the 1400s!!!!!- actively participates in its destruction and marginalization. And the first step to accomplish this is to act defiantly by putting a great reproach on Bartholomew, and who knows, maybe Moscow will even let Turkey  dissolve the Constantinople patriarchate.


I suggested before that for a lesser reason (kings glory), Putin won't fight Erdogan. In fact, with the dowining of the russian plane and Putins strong man reaction, and with the refugee crisis, Erdogan helped Putin carve his image of a christian-rescuer, perhaps even with a view to the future Putin ivasion of Europe, in return for something (THE MIDDLE EAST?) And  he prepared a scape-goat - DAVUTOGLU, who called the felling of the plane and was discharged. Erdogan doesnt want the situation to escalate yet. (I think he will backstab russia when the opportunity arises)


Lies, lies, lies, lies:

http://inosmi.ru/social/20160615/236864761.html



Why The Russian Orthodox Church isn't going to the council of Crete and where does the controversy lay



BBC BBC: What is the essence of the problems on the eve of the Council on Crete contradictions?


Andrew Kuraev, theologian, professor at the Moscow Theological Academy: content claims our church is not expressed in the documents of the Council, therefore, like we were supposed to go there.
But there is a significant factor for the modern church life. The Greeks seemed to still do not know that Constantinople fell. And we have phantom pain over the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the Greeks have phantom pains of the disappearance of the Byzantine Empire.
They want to see it in the virtual incarnation of the church life. Patriarch of Constantinople called himself Universal.
We insisted that all decisions were made by pan-Orthodox community.
It seems to be agreed with this. But suddenly Constantinople after the failure of a number of churches from participating says no, still hold Cathedral and assume his Pan-Orthodox. Therefore, our Synod and decided: no, do not go, not to throw into the furnace of the universal vainglory.

 
Vakhtang Kikshidze, deputy chairman of the Synodal Department for Church and Society Relations with the media: Pan-Orthodox Council requires the participation of all local Orthodox Churches. ROC actively participated in the preparation of this Council, offering documents and so on.
However, problems arose with the participation of a number of local churches that have declared their unwillingness to participate in the Cathedral of Crete. ROC on 3 June offered to assemble an emergency meeting of the representatives of the local churches, to resolve the contradictions.

 
Vsevolod Chaplin, Archpriest: Many Orthodox Christians (bishops, priests, religious) believe that in the draft documents prepared for the council, too much pertains to ecumenism (ie an offer to strive to unify various Christian denominations).
This criticism has arisen around the world. This criticism is not heard.
Plus - the Patriarchate of Constantinople powerfully behaves. Five churches have refused to participate in the Council, as Constantinople is trying to hold it at any cost. I'm afraid that this is connected with the ambition to organize a pan-Orthodox structure that would replace the decision-making in some Orthodox churches. But in Orthodoxy is not the papacy and Constantinople the papal ambitions are unlikely to be accepted. I think that the Council, which will take place even without the participation of one of the churches, there will be illegitimate. I do not know how in these conditions, they can pretend that decisions of this Council were binding.


 
Bi-bi-si: Why have the different local Orthodox churches refused to participate in the Council?
Andrew Kuraev: All the reasons are different (nice joke). At the church of Antioch conflict with Jerusalem, the church classic conflict over territory. Plus, it is important for them to adopt a new style in the calendar. Council refuses to do it - then what we sense to go, they say in the church of Antioch.
In the Serbian church conflict with the Patriarchate of Romania, who opened his diocese in Serbia - as if to ethnic Romanians. But without agreement. And conflict, Constantinople does not help and the Cathedral, this issue is not imposed.
Plus part of the monks saw the shadow of ecumenism in the possible draft decisions, and also presses.

 
Vakhtang Kikshidze: Each of the local Orthodox Church has its own pressing issues to be addressed.
Patriarchate of Antioch is in dispute with the canonical Orthodox Church in Jerusalem because Jerusalem has organized the diocese in Qatar, which the Patriarchate of Antioch considers its canonical territory.
Some church feel ignored. Someone did not sign documents. All this has created barriers to participation in the Council. Church asked to postpone the date of the Council, but the Patriarchate of Constantinople did not agree.

 
Chaplin: The expression of criticism. It is obvious that an attempt to have Constantinople over the tight control of everything that happens in the Orthodox world, is not supported.
This criticism is justified - because it is obvious that every living religious community seeks to draw in their faith all over the world, and we try to offer integrated in another project by inertia.
The future belongs to those religious communities that offer the world his faith and vision for the future.
Constantinople missed the train of history, he is trying to solve religious issues through bureaucratic procedures. But the world has changed.

 
BBC BBC: What could be the consequences of any contentions?

 
Kuraev Andrew: And we do not know how to behave is now meeting in Crete. Maybe they call themselves Pan-Orthodox Council, and perhaps meeting. We will see.
And the second. If they gather and gather doubtless will they not say - but let's not deal with these Orthodox barbarians - [and instead have] a purely Greek meeting and take a decision? And they can then make decisions that will vex our churches.
And we believe that they dont have such authority. And they believe that there is. This is also a spirit of popery. But it does not accept in the Orthodox Church.
And further. We are disgraced before the whole world. This event advertised. We talked for so long - the spirit of catholicity in Orthodoxy, no earthly oracle. And suddenly it became clear: lose the gift to gather at the  council and solved together.


Chaplin: I do not rule out that the churches which refused to participate in the Council, will sooner or later decide to gather their own Orthodox council.
It would be useful to give a voice to this informal meeting of the Orthodox authorities: theologians and priests, the elders, and publicists.
If these churches have the courage and the energy to create its own system of interaction between the Orthodox, it will bring together most of the Orthodox Christian world and will probably be more effective.

2 коментара:

  1. "And the first step to accomplish this is to act defiantly by putting a great reproach on Bartholomew, and who knows, maybe Moscow will even let Turkey dissolve the Constantinople patriarchate."

    And, punctually, it happens that....

    -----> "Russia wants better Turkey ties, but says Ankara should make up first
    Reuters, Moscow Wednesday, 15 June 2016
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    Russia wants to restore good relations with Turkey, but Ankara must first take steps to make amends for the shooting down of a Russian warplane last year, the Kremlin said on Wednesday."
    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/06/15/Kremlin-Russia-wants-better-Turkey-ties-but-onus-is-on-Ankara.html

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  2. 2 weeks ago Putin was in ATHOS and was reassuring the greeks he is going to protect them as the successor of the Byzantines, while Erdogans planes were making tens of intrusions into greek airspace. What a bully. Hitler&Stalin ver 2. But Putin has made concessions and i think its the middle east.

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